If I just want to do IFR approaches at my class D airport of origin,
how should I file? One FSS person suggested that I file McKinney (TKI)
direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from the airport (which has no VOR)
and then back to TKI -- putting "multiple approaches" in the comments
section. Any other thoughts?

>>If I just want to do IFR approaches at my class D airport of origin,
>>how should I file? One FSS person suggested that I file McKinney (TKI)
>>direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from the airport (which has no VOR)
>>and then back to TKI -- putting "multiple approaches" in the comments
>>section. Any other thoughts?

Unless they've changed the rules recently, you don't have to file if you
plan on staying with the controller of your origin airport. You just get on
clearance delivery if you have one and tell them you want to do approaches
and they will give you a squawk. You then go from there. I think you could
file if you want to but it would only be to let the controller know what
approach you plan on doing if you lose comms.

"Nicholas Kliewer" wrote:
> One FSS person suggested that I file McKinney (TKI)
> direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from the airport
> (which has no VOR) and then back to TKI -- putting
> "multiple approaches" in the comments section.

Well, that's one way to do it. If there's no VOR or NDB within a few
miles, look on the low altitude chart and pick any nearby intersection
to put in the flightplan. You never really have to go there, it's just
so you'll have a route to fly in case you lose comm. Do put "multiple
approaches" in the comments section.

At my class D airport the tower controller will ask which approaches I
want and pass them on to the TRACON controller, who will sometimes
actually remember them.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Nicholas Kliewer" > wrote in message
...
>
> If I just want to do IFR approaches at my class D airport of
> origin, how should I file? One FSS person suggested that I
> file McKinney (TKI) direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from
> the airport (which has no VOR) and then back to TKI --
> putting "multiple approaches" in the comments section. Any
> other thoughts?
>

That'll work. The flight data processing computer will accept a direction
and distance from any stored fix.

Nicholas Kliewer > wrote in
:

> If I just want to do IFR approaches at my class D airport of origin,
> how should I file? One FSS person suggested that I file McKinney (TKI)
> direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from the airport (which has no VOR)
> and then back to TKI -- putting "multiple approaches" in the comments
> section. Any other thoughts?

Just file TKI to TKI and add multiple approaches in the comments box. Your
clearance will be something like "cleared to TKI, climb and maintain ...."

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
. 158...
> Nicholas Kliewer > wrote in
> :
>
> > If I just want to do IFR approaches at my class D airport of origin,
> > how should I file? One FSS person suggested that I file McKinney (TKI)
> > direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from the airport (which has no VOR)
> > and then back to TKI -- putting "multiple approaches" in the comments
> > section. Any other thoughts?
>
> Just file TKI to TKI and add multiple approaches in the comments box. Your
> clearance will be something like "cleared to TKI, climb and maintain ...."
>
>

Actually, you have to file to some point (VOR, NDB, intersection, etc.) away
from the airport and back, otherwise their computers won't accept the
flightplan as there is no actual "route". (I've tried this before and had
to file to a VOR and back...and once airborne I didn't neccessarily have to
go to the VOR).

Paul Crawford

On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:57:04 -0500, Nicholas Kliewer
> wrote:

>If I just want to do IFR approaches at my class D airport of origin,
>how should I file? One FSS person suggested that I file McKinney (TKI)
>direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from the airport (which has no VOR)
>and then back to TKI -- putting "multiple approaches" in the comments
>section. Any other thoughts?

In this area there's no need to file a route. Just the origin and
destination airports, with multiple approaches in the comments section.

It doesn't really matter. Everyone in the loop should know what you are
going to do.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
. 158...
>
> Just file TKI to TKI and add multiple approaches in the comments
> box. Your clearance will be something like "cleared to TKI, climb
> and maintain ...."
>

That'll work over the phone to FSS, but the computer will reject it. The
error response is "zero distance" or something like that.

In article >, Nicholas Kliewer
> wrote:

> If I just want to do IFR approaches at my class D airport of origin,
> how should I file? One FSS person suggested that I file McKinney (TKI)
> direct to a 5 mile on a 360 radial from the airport (which has no VOR)
> and then back to TKI -- putting "multiple approaches" in the comments
> section. Any other thoughts?

According to AvWeb's Don Brown in a column a couple of months ago, you
file to the initial approach fix for the airport you want to do
approaches to.

On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:41:06 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> wrote:

>That'll work over the phone to FSS, but the computer will reject it. The
>error response is "zero distance" or something like that.

That's interesting. I've only filed without a fix via phone, so it must
have gotten "fixed" by the person entering the flight plan into the
computer.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in
hlink.net:

>
> "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
> . 158...
>>
>> Just file TKI to TKI and add multiple approaches in the comments
>> box. Your clearance will be something like "cleared to TKI, climb
>> and maintain ...."
>>
>
> That'll work over the phone to FSS, but the computer will reject it.
The
> error response is "zero distance" or something like that.
>
>

I just tried this on DUATs with the route block empty and it accepted the
flight plan. However, it appears to have automatically inserted the
lat/lon co-ordinates of the airport in the route block. The route is
still zero distance.

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
>
> According to AvWeb's Don Brown in a column a couple of
> months ago, you file to the initial approach fix for the airport
> you want to do approaches to.
>

That'll work fine if the IAF happens to be in the computer. Most are not.

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
. 158...
>
> I just tried this on DUATs with the route block empty and it
> accepted the flight plan. However, it appears to have
> automatically inserted the lat/lon co-ordinates of the airport
> in the route block. The route is still zero distance.
>

It's probably not actually zero. Lat/lon coordinates are entered in flight
plans only to the nearest minute, fixes stored in the computer are entered
at a higher accuracy. Using the Route Readout function of ARTCC radar data
processing, which draws out the route on the scope, you can see the little
wiggle caused by a route like ..DDMM/DDMM..VOR.. , where DDMM/DDMM
represents the coordinates of the VOR.

"Nicholas Kliewer" > wrote in message
...

> and then back to TKI -- putting "multiple approaches" in the comments
> section. Any other thoughts?

File from TKI to TKI and for the Route, enter the IAF for the first approach
you will fly.


You can put "multiple approaches" in the comments but that isn't necessary;
just let ATC know your future plans while you are flying the first approach.



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Richard Kaplan, CFII

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